enhanced visuals in v35 : makes click + drag & drop less responsive

 Hello!
As described in the subject line. I can't use V35 because of that.
I often click, drag, and ... the item(s) is/are left behind. So I have to repeat the process a second and sometimes a third time.
Basically, once I've clicked, the delay before IQ registers the click & drag is quite long.

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Also -- but this is certainly not as important -- I'm not sure that the big green arrow showing where the dropped field will appear when moving columns/fields is more helpful than the smaller red one. I actually find that it's aesthetically a bit awkward. Just my opinion.
 
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Windows 8.1
Sony Vaio S Series 13 (SVS131E21L)
Ram:8gb, CPU: Intel i5-3230M, 2.6ghz

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Sadly, I too don't find this change an improvement. The positioning of the arrows for the dropped field is less accurate than it ought to be  - the field is sometimes dropped one position left or right of where the arrows are indicating.
 
Mark GREGORY, Redon, France - GMT +1/+2; EST +6

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gregory wrote:
the field is sometimes dropped one position left or right of where the arrows are indicating.
 
No change observed here in terms of column positioning on drag-drop:
  1. When moving a column left, it always goes to the right spot.
  2. When moving a column right, it goes an extra 1 column. This has been a problem for quite some time...
 

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Thanks for that clarification, Pierre.
 
Mark GREGORY, Redon, France - GMT +1/+2; EST +6

Re: enhanced visuals in v35 : makes click + drag & drop ...

Can you explain how v35 is not working for you ?
The difference is minimal... IIRC one now needs to wait a fraction of second to switch from selection mode to drag-drop.
Before it was instantaneous but one had to know where to click to select items, and it could be confusing to users.
 

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Hi Pierre, it's exactly as I explained.
Here the difference is quite obvious. As I use IQ extensively, the v35 drag & drop feels like typing on a keyboard with keys that are not always working properly. That feeling is probably reinforced by the fact that it's responsive in other applications.
 
Edit : I understand your concern about new users not knowing where to click -- although I think once it's understood it's easy to repeat --, but I don't think that this should be improved at the expense of "responsivity"/consistency . Maybe could the above mentioned problem be alleviated by not allowing the mouse cursor to move away from the the item during the click+drag operation, before the item is properly selected ? Otherwise, what had become an automated action in all other applications becomes one that needs concentration in IQ.
(BTW : The "old" way isn't bad IMO. It's been a long while since I've seen anyone complain about that in particular.)
 
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Windows 8.1
Sony Vaio S Series 13 (SVS131E21L)
Ram:8gb, CPU: Intel i5-3230M, 2.6ghz

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How long is the delay before drag-drop gets triggered on your PC ? Here it is barely noticeable...
The items are left "behind" or the grid is just in multi-select mode ?
 

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In terms of delay length, I'll have to double check tomorrow afternoon/evening as I need to "reinstall" v35 and I've got much to do before.
Yes, the items are left behind and nothing gets dragged.
 
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Windows 8.1
Sony Vaio S Series 13 (SVS131E21L)
Ram:8gb, CPU: Intel i5-3230M, 2.6ghz

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I agree with Armando here:

the delay is very short actually, but it does mean it no longer works as expected - which is difficult with something that is so standardised across all aps.
I like the way it makes it easier to drag-select fields, but I think it makes drag-and-drop unintuitive.

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Tom wrote:

the delay is very short actually


the delay was short, then I had an experience where I consciously waited after clicking, then dragged and I still got area selection instead of item selction/move.
So it looks to me that this is variable. I'll keep an eye on it (but dont drag/drop a lot).

FWIW I'm happy to try and get used to it, but a couple of points:
  1. expected behaviour is that item is instantly draggable
  2. Is this just my opinion(?):
    tablet and touch-screen behaviour are not that relevant here - IQ is, and will largely remain an office-desktop app, where touch-screens are simply not that ergonomic to be used intensively.

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